tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post2735686878441170583..comments2023-12-26T08:22:44.107-05:00Comments on The Second Awakening: We Have Met the Enemy, and She Is in the CanC. L. Minouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249398357159535411noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-53060268443286853422009-06-28T15:07:23.981-04:002009-06-28T15:07:23.981-04:00Thanks, all.
I responded as I did to FKG because ...Thanks, all.<br /><br />I responded as I did to FKG because I thought she had a point, and like I said, I respond robustly to questions of privilege. That said, I think it's telling that the only rebuttal she had was...I violated fair use?<br /><br />My own personal take is that the vocal element of radical feminism that hates me is really not radical enough--that is, it's not enough to merely critique patriarchy. The way to end oppression isn't to just knock off the biggest oppressor--it's to destroy the whole system of oppression, so that *nobody* gets to be on top just because of who they are. Sadly, trying to stamp a boot in the face of trans women isn't exactly liberation.C. L. Minouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249398357159535411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-39989626007937602212009-06-27T19:10:23.156-04:002009-06-27T19:10:23.156-04:00P.S. "There is a culture of violence against ...P.S. "There is a culture of violence against women that spills over into men and women who in *any* way step outside of expected gender roles. If you're a woman who pushes into a male dominated area, you're at higher risk -- regardless of whether you identify as trans, lesbian, or just straight & tomboyish."<br /><br />Yes, yes, yes. And even if you are traditionally feminine - don't claw at a piece of the boys' business, whether it's video games or stock brokering. They don't like it.<br /><br />The flaw with your argument though, is that, as some people suggest, apparently, what a person identifies as does not matter, because... I don't know, they didn't receive the Magickal Mystickal Seal of Wommynhood from the Moon Goddess at birth? So therefore if a trans woman identifies as a woman, she is still not a woman. Until the RadFem Police say so. And they never will. So there.Spatulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02341100471594319746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-14837710922106778162009-06-27T19:01:52.921-04:002009-06-27T19:01:52.921-04:00Ugh. Dear Radical Feminists: you don't speak f...Ugh. Dear Radical Feminists: you don't speak for all of us vagina-born-vagina-possessors. Some of us, vagina-born-vagina-possessors are completely OK with trans ladies coming to our bathrooms, our ladies-only sections of the Pride Festivities and our funky feminism camp. <br /><br />Crikey. Seriously, if a person says they are a woman, presents as a woman, goes through extensive and expensive body modification to make their body as female as current technology will allow it to be, then, like, who cares whether they have a Y chromosome? They ARE A WOMAN. GIVE THEM A STALL, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.Spatulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02341100471594319746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-47111295628228089042009-06-24T18:52:15.184-04:002009-06-24T18:52:15.184-04:00Perez's story has me in tears. As Liss and oth...Perez's story has me in tears. As Liss and other radfems have said over and over, this is not a zero-sum game. Our fight against rape doesn't need to stop at cis-women, transwomen or women at all. In our work as feminists we can keep our compassion and try to address these injustices- even as we acknowledge that they affect women primarily. That fact shouldn't be used to dissapear anyone's suffering. <br /><br />This makes me so mad, and it's the pathetic mad that causes tears to run down your face and feel helpless even as you resolve to do more. I'm so sorry that so much of this shit gets thrown your way. I'm also very glad that you're writing this to share because otherwise these are things I might be privilge-blind to.mousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-13744575415043487482009-06-24T13:00:45.248-04:002009-06-24T13:00:45.248-04:00Kitty is a hot hypocritical "feminist" m...Kitty is a hot hypocritical "feminist" mess. She cries foul about anonymous bloggers yet Kitty isn't her real name. It's a fake name she created when she needed to reinvent herself after causing problems all over the internet. Poor thing. She doesn't like who she is and thinks changing her name will make things better. I recognize through her writing the pain of a woman who is obviously stuck in a loveless marriage where she feels used by the patriarchy on a daily basis and so must hurt back over the internet. Men are the enemy to her and that's not going to change. She won't have any compassion for you if you were born a male and she only likes women who mirror her opinions so it's not like she's singling you out for her abuse. She's abusive to most everyone. You will always be an evil male to her. She is projecting her rage at her situation onto the rest of humanity. She is a caged bird who never stops singing (sowing seeds of hatred everywhere), but nevertheless, she is still caged.<br /> <br />Heather, former friendAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-87560848673803173912009-06-24T10:32:03.671-04:002009-06-24T10:32:03.671-04:00@Kitty: WOW, you're nutty. OH NO! WHO KNEW THA...@Kitty: WOW, you're nutty. OH NO! WHO KNEW THAT, WHEN YOU WRITE THINGS, PEOPLE CAN QUOTE YOU?!? And even disagree, or point out that you are a bigoted [insert word I don't want to type for fear of wrecking the otherwise polite tone of the conversation]? Calm down, check your privilege, and unlearn your hateful BS. Because, right now, the actual feminist movement - as far as I can see - won't own or back up people who want to perpetuate hate in its name.Sadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163678207182481274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-19211465047956963602009-06-24T10:16:04.627-04:002009-06-24T10:16:04.627-04:00The thing about women's restrooms is they have...The thing about women's restrooms is they have cubicles. That means I've got no idea about the genital state of anyone using another cubicle. If you're using the women's restroom, you qualify as a woman - end of story. If you're using the men's restroom, you're either a man, or the queues for the women's got too long.Quatrefoilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03345849690434299945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-70681155681757507812009-06-24T04:28:17.664-04:002009-06-24T04:28:17.664-04:00Seriously - Kitty is crazy. There are plenty of ra...Seriously - Kitty is crazy. There are plenty of rad fem blogs that welcome trans women. Keep AROOO on your google reader though - it is great for a laugh. <br /><br />Love<br />Your Friendly Neighbourhood Rad FemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-67637021352218682792009-06-23T18:45:03.689-04:002009-06-23T18:45:03.689-04:00Most non trans feminists learn to tone down their ...<i>Most non trans feminists learn to tone down their hatred of trans women to some degree[...]</i><br /><br />Naturally, "the feminists" are entirely to blame. Klass!<br />As far as TFKG's assertion that (cis) women have to make all the sacrifices, "allowing" trans women into "our" bathrooms (cis privilege! you checkin' it?), aren't cis men also expected to do the same for trans men? <br />And as far as her concern about assault, I guess there's a possibility that a really determined cis-male rapist could do himself up like a trans woman to gain access to a public women's bathroom. That seems like an awful lot of trouble and preparation though and I've never heard of that ever happening.snobographerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11874569135368534339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-28352298116208791222009-06-23T08:45:33.862-04:002009-06-23T08:45:33.862-04:00Anonymouse
Welcome to teh Internets, whete the da...Anonymouse<br /><br />Welcome to teh Internets, whete the daily hate against women with T spills over (and over, and over)<br /><br />I am so sorry you had to run into these hateful clowns<br /><br />Most non trans feminists learn to tone down their hatred of trans women to some degree, but kitty has missed that boat, along with a few other basic lessons of humanity too. Don't let it get you down.<br /><br />Good luck with the blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-33332134639440946832009-06-23T03:48:57.998-04:002009-06-23T03:48:57.998-04:00Seriously, don't try to reason with or engage ...Seriously, don't try to reason with or engage Kitty. She's a notoriously malevolent nutter. Sadly, she's not the only one spewing that bigoted crap, but she's among the most poisonous. Even most of her fellow transphobic radfems give her and her blog partner a wide berth by now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-83309683136539871802009-06-22T23:52:44.155-04:002009-06-22T23:52:44.155-04:00@F. K. Glendower: I've edited down the excerpt...@F. K. Glendower: I've edited down the excerpt. I hope you feel that is more in line with fair use. I'm in a bit of a double-bind, however, since I didn't want to leave myself open to accusations of using selective excerpts to misinterpret your work.<br /><br />I do try to examine and check my own privilege robustly. I invite you to look around here and see if I'm doing anything you feel is ultimately detrimental to women or feminism, and please go ahead and call me on it.<br /><br />I'm just someone trying to explore feminist issues in the context of her own life; I'm as opposed as you would be to the colonization of third-world women's bodies in the manner of that last bit I posted. Which makes me wonder why I'm the one who's supposed to be the rapist.C. L. Minouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249398357159535411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-8310318671593945732009-06-22T23:23:49.832-04:002009-06-22T23:23:49.832-04:00wow. what a terrible transphobic thing to write. s...wow. what a terrible transphobic thing to write. some people are truly assholes.Maggiehttp://uncensoredpen.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-19541069495645999892009-06-22T22:34:41.866-04:002009-06-22T22:34:41.866-04:00@ C. L. Minou -- As a librarian who's studied ...@ C. L. Minou -- As a librarian who's studied fair use, I have to agree with the original author -- even with attribution that's probably too much technically.<br /><br />That said, the original post made my blood boil. <br /><br />There is a culture of violence against women that spills over into men and women who in *any* way step outside of expected gender roles. If you're a woman who pushes into a male dominated area, you're at higher risk -- regardless of whether you identify as trans, lesbian, or just straight & tomboyish. If you're male and you're in any way effeminate, you run a higher risk of abuse. Again, regardless of whether you're trans, gay, or straight.<br /><br />With the prevalence of assault being men against women, I can see women resisting fully integrated unisex bathrooms. But the idea of someone chosing to be trans for the raping possibilities is frigging absurd. And women are assaulted in women's rooms by men who just ignore the sign on the door. It is not a magic anti-rape talisman. If it were, I'd get a tattoo. :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-62626599426675393352009-06-22T21:41:52.971-04:002009-06-22T21:41:52.971-04:00In response to the first woman's RIDICULOUS c...In response to the first woman's RIDICULOUS claims I thought I might share something that's always made me fee better when confronted with arguements for why transwoman should not be allowed in women only spaces. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Red. She has a lot of really lovely youtube videos out about her experience as a transwoman. "Dudes I'm a Chick"(www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXemSpYJSzw&feature=related)is awesome. It's a hillarious illustration of what it would be like if transwomen were actually men, which not surprisingly they aren't! <br /><br />I'm a new reader-- I heard about you through Tiger Beatdown. Great (if somewhat triggering) post. I look forward to reading more.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15493500581594643450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-80481744760469655532009-06-22T21:22:46.327-04:002009-06-22T21:22:46.327-04:00Ever heard of fair use. You don't copy my who...Ever heard of fair use. You don't copy my whole post. Is that your entitlement showing?The Fabulous Kitty Glendowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259506108044329136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2086522799678977282.post-4593092379787916262009-06-22T20:36:06.049-04:002009-06-22T20:36:06.049-04:00I feel so icky that the writer of the first excerp...I feel so icky that the writer of the first excerpt is claiming to be feminist...*shudder*<br />MTF ARE WOMEN NOT MEN! GARGH!<br />The charles h gay story made me cry, dear god. I hope all of those awful cruel stupid police officers get fired. I know they wont, but hope springs eternal, right?<br /><br />oh hi btw, new reader, big fan of yours!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com